Possible change to the ignore feature

Category: Zone BBS Suggestions and Feedback

Post 1 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Sunday, 26-Jun-2005 13:51:09

Firstly can I say that I realize that this suggestion probably won't go down well with the admins but ... I don't think that people should have the option of ignoring other peoples board posts!

My reason for saying this is that things get silly after a while because debates get very disjointed by the fact that not everybody is reading all the posts before adding to the thread themselves!

I understand completely why the feature was introduced in the first place but come on! We are all adults aren't we? I mean if you really don't wan to read what somebody else has written it is very simple to arrow quickly passed what they have said!

So what do people think? Go back to the way things were? or keep things as they are now?

Post 2 by season (the invisible soul) on Sunday, 26-Jun-2005 13:52:54

yes agree. i mean the board is a place of discussion but it seems now, ignoring one another more than discussion.

Post 3 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Sunday, 26-Jun-2005 15:17:49

yes I agree. I'm perfectly in favour of people being able to ignore quicknotes, private mails and prevented from being put on someon'es "watch" list, but I think board posts is just going too far...

Post 4 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Sunday, 26-Jun-2005 17:05:44

after all, if you really don't want to read someone's post, as harp said above, you can tab past it. and it disjoints the whole topic if you don't read all the threads.

Post 5 by renegade rocker (I just keep on posting!) on Sunday, 26-Jun-2005 17:51:37

I'm deffinatly in agreement here with everyone, for peet sake it's just a website! is it not?

Post 6 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Sunday, 26-Jun-2005 17:59:40

yes quite, and while I can see why you would perhaps not read topics posted by some if they annoy you or the topic isn't to your taste, ignoring the posts of a user within a topic is a tad childish if you ask me. after all, we all have people we dislike, doesn't necessarily mean that we have to blot them out of existance and that their opinions are non valid in every sense of the word ...

Post 7 by wonderwoman (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Sunday, 26-Jun-2005 18:36:34

Well, ok, so I'm childish, but I'm still in favor of it. If you tab passed every post by a specific user, what's the difference? whether or not you tab past every post by a person, or put their posts on ignore, it's all the same. If I see a post I think is a tad crude or vulgar, I will put the poster on ignore, is as my right to do so. Putting someone totally on ignore doesn't blot out their existance, I'm still totally aware that they exist, lol. I put those on ignore if I think they're consistantly attacking my posts, or just being mean. Those who don't want to don't have to ignore board posts. I'm only posting this because I'm afraid if someone doesn't have something positive to say about the ignore feature, the admins and cl's will take the ignore feature from boards away, but since I seem to be in the minority, I guess they might anyway.
wonderwoman

Post 8 by maddog (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 26-Jun-2005 23:40:24

I personally don't like it much myself either. Here's a suggestion, and I'll try to bring it up personally with one of the admins the next time I get a chance. Don't ignore a user's board posts. How about just...oh, I don't know, ignoring certain topics posted by users who you don't like, but still being able to read their board posts on other people's topics, because Harp, as usual, is quite right. Not reading posts written by certain users, does ruin the thread when others post who are ignoring users who might've actually said something useful. as a result, we have 100 different different people saying the same thing over and over again, cause they're ignoring someone else's board posts, because they attacked their board posts and they're afraid of being corrected, or others' opinions.

Post 9 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 4:13:07

You know, I find it rather amusing that it seems to be users who have the highest numbers of board posts, who are fairly near the top of the list of people ignoring the most users. So the message would seem to be “I can post as much as I want, and only users I like should be able to respond.” That is a very hypocritical thing to do in my view. These are public message boards, if people want to post here, then everyone, that is *everyone’s posts should be visible to everyone. If people are that easily offended by what is on the boards they should perhaps not read them, but then not post to them either.

Post 10 by Ukulele<3 (Try me... You know you want to.) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 4:36:02

I don't think that board posts should be a part of the ignore feature either. It is really pointless, in my oppinion, and these are public boards meant to be read by everyone. If you hate someone so much that you don't "respect" everyone's oppinion, (this is one of the zonebbs' rules) you should not log in. But it's just my personal oppinion.
*sexy*

Post 11 by Freya (This site is so "educational") on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 5:44:48

Wonderwoman, are you so afraid that someone might disagree with you that you can't even bear to read their posts? Are you soooo sensitive that you can't just tab past a post that might be a little bit offensive?! I agree totally with Harp, SB and Sexy that we should go back to the way things were before...if someone has many or even just one person on ignore they are inevitably going to lose the thread of any long discussion. I think I said when it started it just smacks of kids in the playground to me, this is a public board and if people can't take other people's opinions then they shouldn't come here or read them.

Post 12 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 6:06:44

and I just had a thought. It's highly possible that any of the users who ignore other users' board posts could have you on their ignore lists dan, so they won't know what you've suggested and therefore won't be able to offer any imput...

Post 13 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 7:13:00

actually claire when i posted this topic i was struck by the irony of the fact that the people who were most likely to disagree with me weren't going to be able too because they were ignoring me! hehehehehe. well, all the more reason for them to grow up and join in like adult instead of spoiled little kiddies just because people think differently to the way they do!

Post 14 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 7:15:22

hmmm, so shall we take their ilence as agreement to the suggestion the ignoring board posts feature should be scrapped? grin. I think we should! after all, if you don't vote, you can't complain ... *grins*

Post 15 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 9:36:35

It was suggested a few weeks ago, to have an option wether ignoring board posts or not, because some people complained that if you press the ignore button, you ignore even the board posts. Now we have the option, so, you do not have to ignore board posts! Why complaining then, if you have the choice?

Post 16 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 9:43:41

because we think that you shouldn't have the choice. yes, we have the choice to ignore board posts, but what happens is, some users have lots of other users on ignore, and that disjoints the topic. if you read a board post which has 20 posts in it, and 10 of those are from people you have on ignore, you only read half the topic, and therefore points can be made several times because people miss half the debate. We are all adults on here. I understand that there are some who might have personality clashes, but making yourself not open to absolutely anything they have to say is petty in my opinion. I have no issue with ignoring quicknotes or mail messages from users, those are more personal in nature and some might not wish to receive them. board posts however are public, and I believe they should be viewed by everyone.

Post 17 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 9:47:17

after all, if you don't like a particular user, you don't have to read his/her board topics, but by the same token, if you wish to ignore half the debate that potentially gives you less of a right to contribute to it, as you might be seen to be having a one sided view on the matter.

Post 18 by Ukulele<3 (Try me... You know you want to.) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 10:44:29

My words exactly sugarbaby!!! Those who choose to ignore board posts should not have the right to contribute in a topic that has posts from people whom they've ignored!!!
*sexy*

Post 19 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 10:48:07

well if the admins don't want to get ridd of the ignoring board posts feature, maybe they should then implement a change that, if you are ignoring the poster of a topic, you do not have the ability to post to that topic, and once someone on your ignore list posts to a topic, you will no longer be able to post to it. I think I know which change would be easier to implement, and it isn't the one I've just suggested.

Post 20 by Twinklestar09 (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 11:04:56

I agree with the majority here. It's really not a big thing to just not get along with someone. I can think of some people whom I felt I maybe couldn't talk to or might not get along with because of our differing personallities/beliefs/viewpoints, but, at least in my case, I still read and respond to their posts because sometimes they do say something I can agree/disagree with and they can and do make good points at times. I could say, "I can't stand this person", and just put them on ignore just because I can, but the fact is that they are part of this community and you can't let everything get to you so easily, just like in the real world. If someone were bothering/annoying you in the real world, if they were personally bothering/annoying you at home, you could ask them to leave or in some cases even file a restraining order, just like on here you can ignore them privately. If they were doing that in public, you could either just leave/avoid the place yourself or personally not pay attention to what they had to say at the moment or if you had to hear it, you could just get over it, again just like here where you can either read or not read board posts by using the arrow or tab keys, or not reading topics you don't agree with at all. (Some places can also ban people, but we of course don't have that here unless someone is doing something to harm the whole site/the people's enjoyment of it.) But yeah, I really don't see the ignoring posts thing as necessary. It's fine if you don't like or feel you couldn't get along with someone for whatever reason, but by ignoring posts, you may be missing out on something this person had to say that you may have agreed with as well as perhaps missing several valuable contributions to the conversation.
Leilani

Post 21 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 11:35:46

Yes, but some may see it, and that's why it is good to have the option. NO, ofcourse it should not be only one choice, like "if you ignore the person you also ignore their board posts", but I think it is great to have the option. LIke for example, if someone attacks people on the boards a lot, then why not ignore him/her?

Post 22 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 11:41:21

because if a post is an attacking post, you can skip past it, not all that poster's posts might be attacking ones, and by putting them on ignore you might miss some valid points that they have to make.

Post 23 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 11:47:17

I think you should be able ignorte the board posts as it saves a lot of hassle upset anger and certain people from having to endure endless abuse,moving on from the abusive post isn't good enough as the content is still available I feel that we should have the choice whether we choose to ignore certain posts, rather than the CL'S ect making this decision on our behalf ...

Post 24 by shea (number one pulse checking chicky) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:15:58

hmmmm, I don't care much for the ignoring crap! I haven't ignored anyone, I feel if I don't like what theyu say then ignore it on my own. the next time they might say something i agree with. But, at the same time if you tab through the boards when you see the posts of someone you aren't wanting to talk to. Isn't that the same as putting them on ignore and you will still be missing parts of the discussion? So really there is no way of getting around missing posts. smile- angel

Post 25 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:26:31

Why should we have to put up with those who can only post derogatory childish crap aimed at provoking a reaction and causing trouble...I have absolutely no wish to talk to certain members and they know who they are..so I see no reason for the removal of this brilliant feature....SB your remark about those at the top, ignoring the majority of users is so small minded and petty, all I can say is, the users they are ignoring undoubtedly deserve it, if their previous form on here is anything to go by....

Post 26 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:27:24

well, it would be interesting to know how those who are ignoring large numbers of users feel about having their posts ignored - I imagine they might not be overly happy about that.

Post 27 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:39:42

well, I guess goblin, that if everyone put you on ignore who you had insulted in the past, then no one would be posting to your topics any more because no one would be able to read them. But unlike some, most of the users you have on your ignore list do actually think that on occasions, you have something worthwhile to say and choose to not ignore it. and you wouldn't know if it was all derogatory now would you because ... well you're ignoring it!

Post 28 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:44:04

What about your scandalous behaviour you are quick to point out the faults of others, but bloody slow, when it comes to admitting your own....still perhaps you have taken holy orders and been blessed with absolution...

Post 29 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:50:05

what are you on about. If you are referring to our disagreements in the past there is a fundamental difference. I have only ever fallen out with you on the boards on this website, whereas the people you haven't put down or insulted one might be able to count on the fingers of one hand. I am not here to justify anything. if users have issue with me they are free to put me on ignore, and equally those same users have the same rights to put you on ignore, well until the feature is removed that is *grins*

Post 30 by shea (number one pulse checking chicky) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:50:31

Ghoblin,um you just described your self to a t! If this is the sb I talk to , I sure haven't noticed this about her at all!Hmmm, angel

Post 31 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:53:31

oops! there goes shay onto the ignore list! *grin*

Post 32 by shea (number one pulse checking chicky) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:56:36

heheheh i was hthinking the same thing! heheheheh! Hmmm, I haven't been ignored so I won't feel left out if I'm finally ignored! heheheheheheh smile- angel

Post 33 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:58:13

no she has a split personality she only treats me like something you would scrape off your shoe...to everyone else she's as sweet as ice cream strange eh..still she needs her allies to launch her attacks..I wonder when the next one is due...

Post 34 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 12:59:05

hahaha keep taking the meds

Post 35 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 13:10:24

but we've gone way off topic now and I still say scrap the ignore feature.

Post 36 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 13:22:54

Hmmm only a completely childish ignoramus would use such a cheap and pathetic insult, you have just shown how low you are prepared to go, lower than a snake's arse

Post 37 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 13:32:34

well, ya don't have to look at it ya know.

Post 38 by Senior (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 14:05:29

I think that if you ignore someones board posts, then if they contribute to a debate, you won't necessarily know what they're saying. Therefore you don't know what people are reacting to who haven't ignored that person. You aren't able to therefore make a contribution to the debate which takes into consideration all previous posts. Basically the solution is that if you choose to ignore someone on the boards then you shouldn't be able to post to any topic they've posted to.

Post 39 by wonderwoman (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 27-Jun-2005 18:38:39

good job inez, point well taken, and sugar baby, ignoring someone's board posts doesn't mean they don't have the right to respond, they have the perfect right to respond, as some of us have the right to ignore it. I really am feeling sorry for j squared and chris n now, I mean, some of us thought the ignore feature was a good idea, some of us thought it would be a good idea to know if we were being blocked, so the admins did it. Then there was anuproar because people didn't have a choice of what to ignore and not to ignore, so they gave us a choice, now there's an uprising because people choose to ignore their posts. The message here seems to be, how dare you ignore what we have to say? Well, if I feel my posts are being attacked or put down, or just don't like someones language, I will put them on ignore unless admin says I can't, and if admin says we can't ignore board posts, well then I won't be posting here anymore, except if I want to know about some site or program, because whatever happens here, I have found a couple of sites I wouldn't've known about except for this site. I will be forever grageful to Brandywine for giving out the disabledfriends site, just wish I could register and join it. Now if anyone hates what I just said, let him/her put me on ignore, lol.
wonderwoman

Post 40 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 4:30:45

No wonderwoman what I said was, if you put a user on ignore, you should not have the right to post to that ignored user’s topics. And I stand by that. After all, if you ignore someone, you do so because they have offended you so much that you cannot bear to even read what they have to say, well in my view that would be the general reason anyway, so, having been so desperately offended by that user, you should have no need to even look at the topics they have posted, but just in case you did look, you shouldn’t be able to post to them, because if that user’s opinions are invalid and you are ignoring them, you can’t state a valid opinion on anything they’ve had to say because you have them on ignore and therefore have only got half the story. However, I think that the reason some people put users on ignore is because they just don’t like them, or because that user has disagreed with something they’ve said in the past. There are not that many users on this site who cause terrible offence to others, and yet some users have a staggering amount of people on ignore. That would lead me to just one conclusion, some people are obviously far too sensitive, and if that is the case, then maybe they shouldn’t come here. I think the original reason why users requested that we be able to ignore board posts was because of the zonef*** and his varias aliases who were creating accounts and causing problems on the message boards, not to blot out users we simply don’t like, or whose opinions are contrary to our own. However this individual has now been dealt with for the most part and I therefore think that the ignoring users message posts feature is no longer required.

Post 41 by Inesle1987 (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 8:30:23

NO, I agree, of course you couldn't post on the person's topics, I agree. But if people really attack you or make ... strange board posts, then why not ignore him/her?

Post 42 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 9:02:37

I still have to say that Goblin has the most amusing sentence in this discussion tpic, to quote:
"Why should we have to put up with those who can only post derogatory childish crap aimed at provoking a reaction and causing trouble..." now if that isn't describing oneself in a single sentence, this is a master piece, especially since if you read backover the topic who is the only person thatis intent on offending others, unless that person realy like's snakee bottoms of cose (you never knw, some people fancy drinking blood so what's wrong with snake asses)? But, I agree, I think having public posts by someone on ignore is very childish and that person should not be fit to post to discussions at all. That's a tad extreme I'll admit but if you can't read opposing views on a public message board then a public message board is not for you. I think goblin is about the onlyperson who has set ot and gone after most of the members onhere to insult them persoally,others, me included, have often disagreed a lot with a person's point of view but at least I've always tried to explain and justify my disagreement and tried to make what I feel is a valid point in that regrd, then it's been up to that user to do what he or she will with that, if you can't take criticism don't post on here. I apreciate what the cl's are doing for us of course but they need our discussions to decide what is good and what is not, it's the typical part of software development, you put out a prototype and then you get user feedback it may not be wht you xpected but you get it and then you adjust your code to better please the end users, it's not putting them down it's suggesting how the code base can be used more effectively and it's a part of every software development plan I've ever seen.
Cheers
-B

Post 43 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 9:02:52

I like the ignore feature, I ignore my own posts so that I can read the boards from work with out getting fired for the stuff I poste.

Post 44 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 9:06:28

wildebrew I couldn't have said it better myself and .. not only is goblin the only user who has deliberately put down other users on this site, he also has every single one of those users who have dared to stand up to him, on ignore...

Post 45 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 10:32:06

just to put this all into context though. in my very first post on this topic, the very beginning of the thread! i openly acknowledged that the admins might not thank me for opening this debate but that i felt that i had something to say and i clearly stated my reasons for doing so!

but now, some 40 posts on, we are going over the same ground again because one of the people who has me on ignore, namely wonder woman, has stated that this is unfair on the admins!

but even more ludicrously! she won't read this reply either because she still has me on ignore, to the best of my knowledge anyway, and so will completely miss out on the fact that i have made a perfectly valid point using her own posts to do so!

so i say again! as adults, is this a sensible way to carry on? i think not but there you go!

Post 46 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 10:49:01

yes dan and I think that the point is perfectly made. but for the benefit of the users who have you on ignore, I quote ... "just to put this all into context though. in my very first post on this topic, the very beginning of the thread! i openly acknowledged that the admins might
not thank me for opening this debate but that i felt that i had something to say and i clearly stated my reasons for doing so! but now, some 40 posts on,
we are going over the same ground again because one of the people who has me on ignore, namely wonder woman, has stated that this is unfair on the admins!
but even more ludicrously! she won't read this reply either because she still has me on ignore, to the best of my knowledge anyway, and so will completely
miss out on the fact that i have made a perfectly valid point using her own posts to do so! so i say again! as adults, is this a sensible way to carry
on? i think not but there you go!" sorry if I'm repeating here, but .. well if people miss the initial point and join in halfway through the debate it is only fair I think, that they be brought up to speed and perhaps will then see the point

Post 47 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 10:55:49

thank you claire! fantastic idea!

Post 48 by shea (number one pulse checking chicky) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 11:41:38

hmmm, harp what is the ignore feature? Care to explain! And I hear you know a lot about the person watch feature? hmmm, hehehehehehehehehehheehheehhehehe! evil grin- angel

Post 49 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 12:12:18

actually i've changed my mind! perhaps we should keep the ignore feature just so that i can ignore shay! *grin*. jk.

Post 50 by shea (number one pulse checking chicky) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 12:24:00

hmmm, i guess that means your not going to take the time to explain it to us? hmmmm, hehehehehehe! smile- Shea

Post 51 by wonderwoman (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Tuesday, 28-Jun-2005 19:27:14

Sugar baby, I don't, as of yet have you on ignore. I have so far not had a reason to. if I had put you on ignore as soon as you opened this, I couldn't've responded. I don't really have all that many on ignore, only 13. But if we went by that statement in that users don't have the right to respond to a topic in which we have someone on ignore, then that would indicate, that we should not, or don't have the right to post, if we have people on ignore, so by that logic, if anyone has anyone on ignore, I mean if anyone has anybody's board posts on ignore, they shouldn't reply, read, or even start their own topic. Sometimes I can get a general idea of what an original poster said by what other people's responses are. I usually don't respond to topics in which i have the original poster on ignore, but felt it was extremely important. Especially since the admins created the ignore feature because some wanted it, and gave us a choice when some wanted that. Sometimes the only way to keep from having constant clashes with people, boards quicknotes, etc, is just to put them on ignore, but as I've stated, I'm awating either chris n's or j squareds' decision on this, and their decision will largely depend on whether or not I post much on the boards, thank you,
wonderwoman

Post 52 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 3:23:48

Well yes, as has been pointed out by wildebrew in this topic, and as you have made no reference to that I’m assuming you have him on ignore also, if you are not able to accept opposing views on a message board then a public message board is not for you. That is not you personally but you as in one in general. If you can’t take criticism then you shouldn’t post public posts that might invoke that criticism. Everyone has disagreements, everyone has opposing views sometimes, I disagree with my best friends sometimes but that does not mean that I would put them on ignore because they do not agree with the points I have to make, it just makes for more lively discussion. And only causes me to have better respect for them because they obviously feel comfortable enough to tell me when they think I am wrong without it provoking a negative response from me. This is a very diverse community, everyone has their own views, and moreover, everyone has their own individual way of saying things, for some this may come across as offensive, but for the most part users do not deliberately set out to offend other users. Making suggestions such as this is not putting down the admins, it is making suggestions to better the features on the site to make it a better place for the majority of the users on it. That is how software development works. You put in a change and let the users decide whether they like it or not and they will make suggestions how to better improve the feature, and then you will fine tune the code tomake it better for the majority. And now I have just, I think, highlighted a perfect reason for why the ignore feature on message boards should be removed. I have quoted from two individual posters to try and bring the topic back on track because users who have these two users on ignore have not read their points and therefore have missed half the point, and therefore have only been able to make their judgments based on half the argument, not on a balanced argument. If the topic is that important to you, then getting a “general gist” of the topic is simply not good enough, you need to read the whole topic in order to hear all the reasons why and why not the feature should or should not be removed.

Post 53 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 7:25:38

its actually quite arrogant when you think about it too! its almost as though wonder woman is of the opinion that what other people have to say about this topic isn't important! so far as she is concerned her view is her view and what anybody else has to say is of no consequence! i've said it before, i'll say it again, this is no way to carry on a debate!

Post 54 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 7:41:52

well it is more a case of "I have a right to an opinion on what you have to say, even though I don't actually know what it is you've said".

Post 55 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 7:49:33

mind you i've often said that people on here don't actually read the things you've written anyway! they read your post, then disregard the content and often turn it into something totally different! with that in mind perhaps it doesn't matter whether she can see what i've said or not!

Post 56 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 8:13:52

well, I actually think that so many comments have come out of this that we should potentially put it to a vote! as in, create a new topic purely asking for yes/no votes for the feature to be removed. democracy rules, and then after say, a week, put it to the admins/cl's what the majority want.

Post 57 by maddog (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 12:31:44

there's no need for a yes/no topic regarding this. I think by what we've seen on this topic, we have a pretty good idea of what you all might want. I will bring this matter up with the admins today, and we will decide on what to do. Something will be posted here, and on the news, hopefully by tomorrow afternoon. In the meantime, sit tight everyone! This is now in the hands of your friendly neighborhood CL maddog!

Post 58 by elmira (Veteran Zoner) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 12:35:55

Well, I wholeheartedly agree to what Harp, Sugar Baby, Wildebrew and others have said on this... People who are so easily offended when reading posts they don't like maybe should not go to message boards at all. When participating in a discussion all the points that have been made so far should be taken into account, and that's simply not possible if some posts are being ignored. I think we should do what Sugar Baby suggested in her previous post.

Post 59 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 13:20:13

that's good news. thanks md

Post 60 by The Roman Battle Mask (Making great use of my Employer's time.) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 13:25:49

If md has it under control I'll talk to admin, or else nothing will get done for at least three years.

Post 61 by elmira (Veteran Zoner) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 14:43:44

Well, sorry for my previous post, that was quite pointless, after what MD just wrote. When I replied his post wasn't yet there. Thanks, MD.

Post 62 by Senior (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 15:40:57

I've got everyone on ignore even myself at this moment in time, someone please tell me what's been said in this thread?

Post 63 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 15:43:24

how can we tell you if you've got us on ignore.

Post 64 by maddog (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Wednesday, 29-Jun-2005 18:39:57

I think, they were trying to make a point here.

Post 65 by wonderwoman (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Thursday, 30-Jun-2005 0:00:01

Ok harp, I have taken your board posts off my ignore list, now does that take me off your arrogant list? lol, not that it matters one way or the other. The reason I put your board posts on ignore in the first place was because you said something r rated, and I grew up in a time where ladies were ladies, and we just don't listen to talk like that. I'm old fashioned, as is my mother, her mother before her, and her mother before her. Now there is no way I know before hand in which post the person is going to say something r rated, so how else am i going to avoid except hit the ignore link? If that makes me arrogant, so be it. Sugar baby, I am rather curious then why you didn't respond to my post in which I asked you if I could copy and paste your 12 days of zoning song and send it to a friend? I thought she might've gotten a kick out of it as I did, but I bbelieve in the courtesy of asking before I send a message somewhere else. I would understand if you might not want your posts, even the funny ones to be sent somewhere else, but I got no response yay or nay. Does that mean my question was invalid or didn't matter/ I might've got the impression you were ignoring my post, since it was in plain sight for everyone to see. This was before we could tell who was ignoring us, so I drew the conclusion that, oh well, she's ignoring me whether she has my posts on ignore or not, and I just went on my way and didn't think a lot about it, annd probably wouldn't except for your post on what you think of people who ignore board posts.
wonderwoman

Post 66 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Thursday, 30-Jun-2005 2:18:00

hmmm well to be honest sometimes I don't read all posts to a topic, not that I ignore them, but sometimes if there are other topics then I might not click on the one that has new posts if I chosen to click on one that has captured my interest. And often it is the case that I just forget to look at the other one and it slips to the bottom of the list, so .. no I was never ignoring you *smiles* and .. by all means copy and paste it to your friend. After all, it's on a public website, so if your friend so chose she could come to the site and look at it without even having to log in, smiles.

Post 67 by Ukulele<3 (Try me... You know you want to.) on Thursday, 30-Jun-2005 6:43:37

I do the same thing sugarbaby!!! I rarely look at the old topics that I've posted to. But back to this topic, thanks Maddog!!!
*sexy*

Post 68 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Thursday, 30-Jun-2005 8:04:47

i take your point wonder woman but i fail to see how you can read public board posts and not expect to come across some things that you may not find to your tastes!

fare enough if this were a christian web site or a site than banned swearing for example! but it is neither of those! i'm afraid that reading on these boards you will, from time to time, read things that you'd rather not! but, as has already been pointed out during this thread, if you can't take those things then perhaps you should ask yourself whether this is really the place for you!

it just seems ludicrous to me though that people who are willing to converse with anybody should have to keep reading the same points made over and over again by different people purely because some users are ignoring the posts of other users!

let me say that i do understand why you want the feature kept, but that also i don't agree with you. after all even you must be able to see that you have only strengthoned my argument by taking me off of your ignore list so that you can answer posts of mine that were directed at you! to my way of thinking that is just further proof that ignoring users while debating a subject with them is a rediculous, even untenable, way of doing things!

Post 69 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Thursday, 30-Jun-2005 8:53:26

Well I think it’s the same as in society in general isn’t it. We’re always going t come across things that we perhaps don’t like, but we can’t always avoid it. For instance, I might walk through the park in my local area and some of the language that I hear being used by the kids in that park just makes me cringe! Not that I am particularly offended by bad language, but I just find it in very poor taste and personally don’t use it and prefer not to hear it, moreover, I would prefer that my two and a half year old son didn’t hear it either! But the reality is, that he will, no doubt, be subjected to such language just as soon as he enters the playground of the local primary school when he attends it. I can’t protect him from it for ever, and I can’t avoid it myself, therefore it’s best just to go with the flow so to speak.

Post 70 by Freya (This site is so "educational") on Thursday, 30-Jun-2005 10:38:13

So what do the admins think of all this? Are they going to remove the ignore feature or not...As far as I can see it is only used by the more errrm childish members of the boards? I mean wonderwoman has 13 people on it and she doesn't think that is many, she can't bear to read anything that is slightly 'r-rated'? Maybe she shouldn't use message boards at all?

Post 71 by maddog (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Thursday, 30-Jun-2005 12:43:16

Alright people, I discussed this with one of the admins last night. It seems that a lot of you are having problems with this feature. We'll be discussing this over the next few days or so, and will definitely have a final answer for you all within the week. In the meantime, you all be good!

Post 72 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 04-Jul-2005 12:19:33

well, this topic seems to have disappeared way way down the list so thought I'd bring it back up again. A user over the weekend made the point that, if people can't come up with creative suggestions etc on a website, then they would never cope in the real world. well, isn't that exactly how it is with the ignore feature? after all, when you go out and buy your newspaper, you can't say, "oh I'll have the times, but could you exclude all the artacles written by these people". If you don't want to read the articles by certain people, you have to physically go past them, in the real world, you can't put the people on ignore who annoy you, sure you can make a concerted effort not to talk to them, but there is always a chance that you will come across these people and that you will, at some point, have to listen to what they have to say. so .... let's keep this topic alive shal we? in the interest of having the ignore feature on boards removed.

Post 73 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 04-Jul-2005 12:46:26

i'm actually concerned too that we haven't heard from an admin or CL about this recently. is there any chance of somebody giving us an update?

Post 74 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 04-Jul-2005 18:43:23

okay this is getting more and more ridiculous every day now! goblin has just put sexy_girl86 on ignore for making some innocuous comment about men with beer bellies! why the hell is this lunacy being aloud to continue? at this rate goblin may as well just have his own section of the zone dedicated to him and his posts because nobody else will bother posting answers because he'll never get to read them! its crazy that the most prolific poster to the boards is also ignoring just about every other regular contributor. if these boards are supposed to be an open area where debate is encouraged then why is this fascicle feature still in place?

is the ignore feature going to be removed from the boards or not? surely somebody in a position of power could at least deem to come and tell us that much? with the exception of maddog not one other cl or admin has bothered with this topic in spite of the fact that clearly a lot of zone members, me included, do feel quite strongly about it.

please could we have some in put?

i'm sorry if this sounds as though i'm going a tad over board here but i am starting to feel as though i am banging my head against a brick wall!

Post 75 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 05-Jul-2005 2:35:59

dan is right. in fact this whole ignoring board posts feature has made an absolute joke of the message boards. if the feature isn't removed we might as well get rid of the message boards altogether. after all, as harp has already said, how can someone be the most prolific poster and have everyone who dares to disagree with him on ignore. it's a bit like spamming. you can send as many emails to someone as you like and just block their replies. we wouldn't stand for that now would we so why put up with this. we're all adults for god sake! it just seems that some are unable to behave as such.

Post 76 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 05-Jul-2005 5:09:23

however, I believe perhaps even goblin is starting to see the light. I just checked the users ignoring other users stat and goblin has taken 9 people off his ignore list! are you one of the lucky ones?

Post 77 by Ukulele<3 (Try me... You know you want to.) on Tuesday, 05-Jul-2005 5:53:36

*sad face* No. Unfortunately, I'm not!!! I'm still on his ignore list!!!
*sexy*

Post 78 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 05-Jul-2005 11:03:55

well, proof I think that the ignore feature needs to be removed. I have just proved that users who have other users on ignore, are, in fact, looking at the board posts on a separate window, without logging into the site, after all, the boards are accessible without having to log in, and as you are then not logged in, your ignore settings are not recognized. so, you can log into the site as a user, keep up the pretence that you are ignoring the users who annoy you, while still reading their posts on a different i e window. Now if there ever was proof that the whole feature is a farce, I think that is it.

Post 79 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Tuesday, 05-Jul-2005 11:08:54

how perthetic! lol. i've heard it all now!

Post 80 by iammewhoru (Veteran Zoner) on Tuesday, 05-Jul-2005 11:26:10

Personally, I think it all sucks! Who cares who has who on ignore?!?! If someone wants to do that, let them. Why does it bother you so?

Post 81 by Ukulele<3 (Try me... You know you want to.) on Tuesday, 05-Jul-2005 11:32:57

Well, iammewhoru, maybe you should go back to the beginning of the topic and read our reasons for wanting this feature removed. If you read the posts, it clearly shows the ignorence of having this feature and how pointless it is!!! Hope reading this helps!!!
*sexy*

Post 82 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Tuesday, 05-Jul-2005 11:34:24

thank you sexy, that about covers my answer to that pointless question!

Post 83 by gummybear16 (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 05-Jul-2005 13:51:44

hmm, I'll say, Harp, wonderwoman and goblin all have good points,
I see in some ways why the ignore feature would give people a problem, but in the other way I see why people would want the blasted thing.
I also must admit wonderwoman I respect your old fashioned ways, lol.
anyway peace all!
KK

Post 84 by wonderwoman (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Tuesday, 05-Jul-2005 19:03:59

Thanks so much Gummybear, maybe if certain other users would treat the rest of us with respect, people wouldn't put them on ignore. As for being told if some of usare so easily offended, maybe we should ask ourselves if this site is right for us, maybe they should ask themselves why so many people have them on their ignore list? I don't think it's up to anyone, except maybe admin of course, to tell people where they do or don't belong, or what site is and isn't for them. As for having to listen to cetain people sooner or later, we don't have to listen to anyone except God.
wonderwoman

Post 85 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Wednesday, 06-Jul-2005 10:01:54

firstly WW lets make one thing perfectly clear! i didn't tell you, or anybody, to leave the site. i suggested that if you were so easily offended then perhaps you might want to reconsider being here! but that is definitely not telling you to leave!

secondly as to your point to those of us who do find ourselves on other users ignore lists i have this to say. where there are rules and guidelines that are set out to be adhered to i will do so, however, so far as i am aware, this is a site that actively encourages free speech! in essence i have the right to say what i wish, to whom i wish, when i wish.

let me put it to you this way wonderwoman. i respect the fact that sometimes you don't wish to hear the things i have to say, particularly the way i sometimes say them, and if it were just that a couple of users were ignoring a couple of other users then it wouldn't even be an issue for me! but the simple fact is that the most prolific poster to these boards is ignoring just about everybody who so much as dares to think a contrary thought to him never mind actually post it! he isn't the only one either! so far as i am concerned that isn't using the ignore feature for what it was originally intended! in fact i call ignoring a dozen or more people a blatant abuse of the feature and further more it makes a mockery of these boards!

if free speech means (say whatever you wish, but don't use profanities; never offend or upset anybody and don't, under any circumstances, disagree about anything! then by all means lets keep the ignore feature!) but that's not what free speech is about so please, lets remove the ignore feature and move on!

Post 86 by elmira (Veteran Zoner) on Friday, 08-Jul-2005 14:17:57

Hmmm, the words for the anagram game of the last three days suggest that the admins, cls or whoever are still aware of this discussion, but I wonder if a decision has been made on whether to remove this feature...

Post 87 by Ukulele<3 (Try me... You know you want to.) on Friday, 08-Jul-2005 15:32:19

Very well said, Harp!!! Please, let's have this feature removed!!!
*sexy*

Post 88 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Wednesday, 20-Jul-2005 11:24:38

Well as this topic appears to have disappeared back to the bottom of the list I am going to bring it up again. Earlier a user posted a topic in which an argument did insue, however, it was brought back on topic by myself and two other users he has on ignore, and he totally disrupted the topic purely because he had made assumptions that we were having a go at him when we weren’t! I’m sorry but this is ludicress! What do we have to do to get this feature removed? Stop posting to the boards altogether?